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WIntel or AS/400

DBohner-(db)

Legendary Poster
Greetings List,

OK - debate time. Please use debate skills - as apposed to offense on the
list.

Which is better? XE on MS/SQL (7 or 2K) or AS/400.

We have started implementation on SQL - but there is a move to put us on
AS/400. So, if anyone has worked with JDE on both platforms. Which one and
why?

Enjoy!

Daniel Bohner
www.existinglight.net
drbohner@existinglight.net
Boise, ID usa
 

DHelsle

Active Member
Neither, both, it depends.

David D. Helsley, Inc.
Independent IT Consultant
(859)466-6746 ddh@consultant.com

The views expressed herein are not my own. They are forced upon me by my
employer.

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SSAJAROFF

Reputable Poster
Hi Dan :

I've been working on OneWorld on NT/SQL for three years, and I've seen
some OneWorld on AS/400.
I think that the word 'better' doesn't make any sense because it
depends on what you to evaluate and on the what context is.
If you look for stability, 'better' means AS/400 or HPUX; but if you look
for low price or cheap hardware Intel/SQL is 'better'.
I present a few statements that I think most of you will agree with :

a) AS/400+DB2/400 is solid and stable as a rock, much more than NT/SQL.
b) Cost/Benefit on small installations (<50 users) is much lower
on NT/SQL than on any other platform.
c) IT/IS specialists' cost is lower on NT4/SQL7 than on AS/400.
d) NT/SQL licenses are cheaper than AS/400 ones.
e) JDE code seems to be biased towards NT platform, I've seen a dozen
of NT installations where 1 Gb + Pentium III/700 Enterprise run UBE
processes 2 or 3 times faster than medium size AS/400.

Yours, Sebastian Sajaroff
 

adri_valentim

Reputable Poster
I agree with Sebestian and a have a few points to add.

It depends on your company's skill set. If you have no NT experience and
have a lot of AS/400 experience, go AS/400. If you have a lot of NT
experience and no AS/400 experience, well go NT.

IF you go with NT/SQL, go with SQLServer 2000 (much better than previous
version of SQL).

ADRIAN



Valmatrix Consulting Inc.
 

ekempter

Administrator
Re: RE: WIntel or AS/400

In reference to:

c) IT/IS specialists' cost is lower on NT4/SQL7 than on AS/400.
d) NT/SQL licenses are cheaper than AS/400 ones.

from a cost of ownership standpoint, your total overall costs will be lower on an AS/400 if you are a mid-size or large business. Also, you will find an AS/400 to be more scalable than other platforms.


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AJaffe

Member
I am currently evaluating Wintel vs AS400 as I prepare for an upgrade from
7322 coexistent to Xe. I am curious about some of the comments being made.

1) From a cost viewpoint, once disaster recovery / business continuity is
added to the equation, the AS400 starts to look costly.

2) AS/400+DB2/400 is solid and stable as a rock. Does this infer that the
Wintel platform is not stable. I am very familiar with the issues of
Windows NT but I thought that One World running SQL was OK. Since I re-IPL
the AS400 every week, I would assume that the NT system would need the same.
Or does it need to be booted more often?

3) scalability - For the amount of money it takes to upgrade an AS400 a new
PC server could be purchased?

We currently run on an AS400 720 with 130 users
I haven't really come to any conclusions yet, just still asking lots of
questions.

Art Jaffe
Director Information Services
Chandler Evans Control Systems
BFGoodrich Aerospace
West Hartford Ct 06133-0651
860-231-2743
ajaffe@chandlerevans.com
 

SSAJAROFF

Reputable Poster
Art :

My NT/SQL Installations are quite stable, I have to reboot them 2 or 3 times
a year or when
I decide to install an NT or SQL Service Pack (except B7321 where I must
reboot once a week).
That's acceptable to me and my users, but I wouldn't qualify it as "stable
as a rock".
As I've already said on previous mails, 95% of my problems come from
OneWorld itself not
from the underlying platform.

Sebastian


De: AJaffe [mailto:AJaffe@chandlerevans.bfg.com]
Enviado el: Friday, February 23, 2001 6:08 PM
Para: jdelistml@jdelist.com
Asunto: RE: WIntel or AS/400



I am currently evaluating Wintel vs AS400 as I prepare for an upgrade from
7322 coexistent to Xe. I am curious about some of the comments being made.

1) From a cost viewpoint, once disaster recovery / business continuity is
added to the equation, the AS400 starts to look costly.

2) AS/400+DB2/400 is solid and stable as a rock. Does this infer that the
Wintel platform is not stable. I am very familiar with the issues of
Windows NT but I thought that One World running SQL was OK. Since I re-IPL
the AS400 every week, I would assume that the NT system would need the same.
Or does it need to be booted more often?

3) scalability - For the amount of money it takes to upgrade an AS400 a new
PC server could be purchased?

We currently run on an AS400 720 with 130 users
I haven't really come to any conclusions yet, just still asking lots of
questions.

Art Jaffe
Director Information Services
Chandler Evans Control Systems
BFGoodrich Aerospace
West Hartford Ct 06133-0651
860-231-2743
ajaffe@chandlerevans.com





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ekempter

Administrator
1) Business recovery. Are you referring to off-site business recovery?
Where do you see the cost differences?

2) Do you have a RISC box. You don't need to boot your box every week.
Once very six months should suffice and it probably doesn't need it even
that often.

3) If the upgrade cost is the same, the AS/400 is a more reliable solution.
Upgrading - disk space, memory. When farming comes into play - isn't it
more difficult to maintain? Are WinTel systems harder to maintain anyway
because you have to get all of the different vendor hardware / software to
work together?





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TonyStPierre

Active Member
Re: RE: WIntel or AS/400

I have been an IBM person for more than 20 years with experience on System 360/370, S/36 and AS/400 and all kinds of applications. I am with my present company now partly because of my IBM skills.

We started with World/One World here on AS/400.

Now we run B7332 on NT/SQL7, 30 - 40 users.

Whilst the AS/400 is a great concept, there are other technologies that are comparable and as stable.

NT/SQL7 easily outclasses the competition for our requirement:
* no less stable than AS/400 (in our experience more stable!)
* certainly less costly to purchase
* integrates almost seemlessly into the all pervasive NT systems
* far less costly to implement disaster recovery configuration
* equipment upgrade costs significantly cheaper
* training requirement almost zero compared to AS/400
* more accepted and understood by our other technical specialists
* superior performance per unit harware cost
* Look and feel far better than IBM products which tend to be counter-intuitive

Whether these advantages are scalable I have no idea.

p.s. we NEVER reboot our One World servers

Tony St. Pierre
 
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