gerd_renz3
VIP Member
I have replied to this post previously. It must have been lost.
Here's what I had to say (sorry if I repeat myself):
I think Mark is bringing up a very valid question. I have faced the same
problem in shops that are not necessarily 24/7. Someone suggested here to
look for off peak hours for deployment. As I understand Mark, he does not
have off peak hours.
We were in a GoLive situation and had to deploy emergency fixes several
times during production hours. Even if we watched out for empty UBE queues
to hit the "deploy button", there is always a chance that one of these
3-hour UBEs sneeks in just before the deploy kicks in.
Our case was worse. We were running all 200 users through HTML-clients. That
means all BSFNs are executing on the ES. During deploy, not only UBEs, but
also BSFNs are held back from execution. I find it acceptable to hold back
jobs in UBE queues for a few minutes occasionally, but it is not acceptable
for an interactive screen to freeze up for such a long time. And that is IF
the deploy get's done in an ideal 15 minutes. One very easily runs into all
kinds of timeout problems.
So yes, Mark. Your idea with the PDTEMP733 directory is probably the best
you can do at this point. I think that JDEdwards development will have to
re-think the whole deployment procedure. Especially in the light of W and J
environments (BSFNs on ES).
Your are absolutely right wanting clean deployment to keep all your servers
in sync.
Sorry, I do not have much experience with Citrix.
My two cents worth, Gerd
-----Mensagem original-----
De: [email protected] [mailto
[email protected]]Em nome
de MSiebenschuh
Enviada em: quinta-feira, 15 de novembro de 2001 14:52
Para: [email protected]
Assunto: Deploying Mods to PD in a 24/7 company???? (long)
We are soon to be a 24/7 company once we rollout to the west coast. I am a
little concerned about how we can deploy with limited user impact in this
kind of environment.
Here is my config
XE/ORACLE 8i
3 HP 9000 Enterprise servers
26 Citrix servers
1500+ users (once the rollout is complete)
Here are my concerns
1. Clean deployment to all Enterprise servers
2. Clean deployment to all Citrix servers
3. Limited time where user UBE's are stuck behind my package
build/deployment
4. Limited time where I have to kick users off the Citrix servers to deploy
Here are my questions
1. Is anyone else out there running 24/7 and doing regular deployments to
PD? (We currently average 2 packages to PD per week).
2. How are you dealing with a situation where a user kicks off a 3 hour
job - then you start to deploy your package, which basically holds any jobs
that are submitted until you are done, thus meaning a 2 minute job suddenly
takes about 3.25 hours (3 hours for the report in front of you and 15
minutes for your package to deploy)?
3. How are you maintaining integrity of multiple servers (I don't know maybe
I am gunshy from running on B733 base but I have seen too many spec
corruptions when things get out of synch by even the minutest bit.) with
deploying to each box over what could take up to 45 minutes with as many
boxes as I have? (the way we currently do things is that we have PD
installed on our Dev/QA boxes (E-server/Citrix server) so we build and
deploy to these boxes and then copy the code over from those boxes to all
the others as PD7333TMP, then bring down OW, do a rename on all the boxes,
bring OW back up. Takes about 15 minutes and everything is guaranteed to be
exactly the same in case we have any issues).
Any ideas/insight/procedures would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Mark Siebenschuh
HP9000/Oracle 8.0.5/JDE XE/Lots of Citrix
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Here's what I had to say (sorry if I repeat myself):
I think Mark is bringing up a very valid question. I have faced the same
problem in shops that are not necessarily 24/7. Someone suggested here to
look for off peak hours for deployment. As I understand Mark, he does not
have off peak hours.
We were in a GoLive situation and had to deploy emergency fixes several
times during production hours. Even if we watched out for empty UBE queues
to hit the "deploy button", there is always a chance that one of these
3-hour UBEs sneeks in just before the deploy kicks in.
Our case was worse. We were running all 200 users through HTML-clients. That
means all BSFNs are executing on the ES. During deploy, not only UBEs, but
also BSFNs are held back from execution. I find it acceptable to hold back
jobs in UBE queues for a few minutes occasionally, but it is not acceptable
for an interactive screen to freeze up for such a long time. And that is IF
the deploy get's done in an ideal 15 minutes. One very easily runs into all
kinds of timeout problems.
So yes, Mark. Your idea with the PDTEMP733 directory is probably the best
you can do at this point. I think that JDEdwards development will have to
re-think the whole deployment procedure. Especially in the light of W and J
environments (BSFNs on ES).
Your are absolutely right wanting clean deployment to keep all your servers
in sync.
Sorry, I do not have much experience with Citrix.
My two cents worth, Gerd
-----Mensagem original-----
De: [email protected] [mailto
[email protected]]Em nomede MSiebenschuh
Enviada em: quinta-feira, 15 de novembro de 2001 14:52
Para: [email protected]
Assunto: Deploying Mods to PD in a 24/7 company???? (long)
We are soon to be a 24/7 company once we rollout to the west coast. I am a
little concerned about how we can deploy with limited user impact in this
kind of environment.
Here is my config
XE/ORACLE 8i
3 HP 9000 Enterprise servers
26 Citrix servers
1500+ users (once the rollout is complete)
Here are my concerns
1. Clean deployment to all Enterprise servers
2. Clean deployment to all Citrix servers
3. Limited time where user UBE's are stuck behind my package
build/deployment
4. Limited time where I have to kick users off the Citrix servers to deploy
Here are my questions
1. Is anyone else out there running 24/7 and doing regular deployments to
PD? (We currently average 2 packages to PD per week).
2. How are you dealing with a situation where a user kicks off a 3 hour
job - then you start to deploy your package, which basically holds any jobs
that are submitted until you are done, thus meaning a 2 minute job suddenly
takes about 3.25 hours (3 hours for the report in front of you and 15
minutes for your package to deploy)?
3. How are you maintaining integrity of multiple servers (I don't know maybe
I am gunshy from running on B733 base but I have seen too many spec
corruptions when things get out of synch by even the minutest bit.) with
deploying to each box over what could take up to 45 minutes with as many
boxes as I have? (the way we currently do things is that we have PD
installed on our Dev/QA boxes (E-server/Citrix server) so we build and
deploy to these boxes and then copy the code over from those boxes to all
the others as PD7333TMP, then bring down OW, do a rename on all the boxes,
bring OW back up. Takes about 15 minutes and everything is guaranteed to be
exactly the same in case we have any issues).
Any ideas/insight/procedures would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Mark Siebenschuh
HP9000/Oracle 8.0.5/JDE XE/Lots of Citrix
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http://198.144.193.139/cgi-bin/wwwthreads/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=OW&Number=2
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