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OneWorld Config on AS/400

Tom

Member
Hello All,

This is my first post ever!

I am not a One World configuration expert, just developer, but
would like to know more.

It is my understanding that One World requires a deployment
server, database server and apps server. Please Correct me if I am
wrong. Does the apps server and deployment server HAVE to be
NT? If so, if i had the database server as AS/400,
could I put the other servers on an intergated processor card(s) inside the AS/400 instead of seperate machines? If yes, I will have a bunch of followup ?'s which I will save for later.


Thanks a bunch
Tom
 

amwalshjde

Well Known Member
Hello Tom,

I am sure that I speak for everyone, when I welcome you to the list.....

Here some info on CNC and configurations:

The Deploymment Server MUST be Windows

The appl, and the database can run on the following systems
(I might be fogetting some, but gives you an idea)

Windows
Unix (Sun Solaris)
HP
DEC Alpha
AS/400

I am not sure if you could put to deployment server as a "intergrated
processor card inside the AS/400" I dont know anyone that has tried it,
perhaps someone else on the list has.

AW
 

DRezanka

Reputable Poster
Re: RE: OneWorld Config on AS/400

Tom,

I have heard of a couple/few AS400 shops with the Deployment Server(DS) on an IPCS card. As a warning, I understand this is not as straight forward a setup as using a seperate server (usually requiring consulting). I have not heard of an App Server on an integrated card.

Does the IPCS use the same disk and directory space as the AS400, or are they segmented into separate partitions? If not, I suppose the problem with using an IPCS for a DS and/or an App Server would be the directory structure. Additionally, the DS and App Serv would have to be seperate machine IDs. Could you do multiple IPCSs?

You can see, I don't know a whole lot about these IPCS cards. I also don't know why it would be so complex to set one of these up if you know what you are doing. However, from a practical standpoint and from what I have heard about these cards, I don't know why you would want this sort of complexity in your system. A network has enough trouble of its own. Also, it seems from a price and scalability standpoint, it would be a whole lot simpler and cheaper to maintain separate NT machines for a DS and App Serv.

My thoughts. For what the're worth.



Doug
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WWells

Active Member
Tom,

Actually you need a Deployment server and Enterprise server.
The Deployment does have to be NT. Enterprise can be NT, Unix, AS/400,
RS/6000
I've seen configurations where the IPCS (integrated PC Server) inside the
AS/400 was used as deployment server.

Hope this helps.
Wade Wells
 

lessardj

Well Known Member
RE: RE: OneWorld Config on AS/400

We have the Deployment Server configured on an INS card (733 Mhz) in the AS/400 (Mod 830) and it seems to be working very well so far (we are in the implmentation process, go live for Sept 1). We are not using partitioning, but there are disks set aside for the INS card space. Since the operating system on the INS is NT, the directory structure looks and acts just like NT. Yes, the INS is configured as a separate machine name.

Perhaps because we were an AS/400 shop before OneWorld, using the INS card seemed to be a natural solution for the Deployment Server to us, and we don't consider it complex. Backup is accomplished as part of the AS/400 backup strategy on a 3590 tape drive. The only gotcha on this is that if it needs to be restored, the whole space needs to be restored, not specific directory structures; at least as we understand it today. We will be working on another solution for this.

We also tried to use a second INS card (333 Mhz) as the WTS, with Citrix, but had connection problems that we could not resolve, so moved it off to a separate box.

Be glad to help if anyone else plans to go the same way with the INS card.
 

wwilliams

Active Member
RE: RE: OneWorld Config on AS/400

I am currently running my DS on an integrated card. The integrated card
obtains all resources for disk, tape, power, etc. from the AS/400. It uses
the IFS portion of disk and must be allocated. If I had the choice to make
again, I would not do this configuration. The integrated servers are too
slow for practical use. As far as setup went, it was no different than for
a separate server.

Bill Williams


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rjjump

Active Member
Re: RE: OneWorld Config on AS/400

The deployment server MUST be NT. The application server can run on NT or
natively under OS/400. There are many environments running both the
database server and app server functions on the same box and same
partition. (you don't have to use LPAR or anything like that). You could
also have the app server on a separate 400 or in a separate partition if
you wanted.

We regularly use the Integrated NT card as a deployment server in our lab
tests and it works well. The big limitation to the integrated card is that
it is limited to a single processor. If your development environment is
such that you need fast and frequent package builds, then you might be
better with an external dual processor box for the deployment server.
Also, on older models, (prior to 8xx series and 270s), you are limited to a
333MHz integrated card, which is a little slow. The newer models are
running at 850MHz and should work well.

I haven't worked with or heard of anyone using the integrated card as an
application server. Basically, it functions the same as any other NT
server, so it SHOULD work fine. Again, the limit is going to be whether
your environment would require a multi-processor application server. If
so, then you'll need an external box, or you can just keep that
functionality running natively on the 400. I've only seen one very
informal, unstructured test comparing a 400 with an NT app server and the
400 performed better, but the difference was probably due more to
communications than the platform.

I don't think there are any big setup issues when using the integrated card
as the deployment server. From a high level, you configure the card,
allocate disk space to the NT server, and install NT, service packs, etc.
Once NT is loaded, it functions like any other NT server. You need to pay
attention to the same things you would on an external server, such as
network config and speeds, Client Access Express settings and service
packs, NT service packs, etc. From a OneWorld point of view, once NT is
installed, I don't think you need to perform any additional steps or
changes from an install on an external box.

The biggest issue is understanding how the disk space is allocated, and the
network setup for the card can be a bit confusing, but that has been
simplified in the latest releases of the card and OS/400. There are a
couple redbooks that go into details on the Integrated Netfinity Card, as
well as using it as a OneWorld deployment server. "Implementing Windows
NT on the Integrated Netfinity Server" - SG24-2164 & "J. D. Edwards
OneWorld Implementation on the AS/400" - SG24-5195

The card uses the 400's disks, but they are not in the same file system.
You allocate an amount of disk space or drive space, then assign it to the
card. The space is spread across all of the disks in the ASP, so you are
not allocating specific drives, just an amount of space. This space is
then formatted as FAT or NTFS and isn't used by OS/400, but appears as a
standard drive volume under NT. You can have multiple drive spaces
allocated to 1 integrated card.

Benefits of the card are that you can administer the NT server through the
400, reboot it remotely from the 400, administer and synchronize NT and 400
user IDs from the 400, have 1 centralized backup, use the 400's fast tape
and other devices, and you are using the 400's highly available disks.
It's also very easy to add more disk space.

In my opinion, there are a few drawbacks. You are using fairly expensive,
(although highly reliable and high performance), 400 disks, when you could
be using cheaper PC based disks. There are some cases where this makes
sense, but others where it doesn't. Also, there is a learning curve.
You'll have to learn a little about how the card works, and how to add
disk, etc. Another limitation is the single processor. Finally, a minor
issue, is that it boots a little slower than an external box. Normally
that isn't an issue, but usually when installing new drivers or software on
NT, you have to reboot a lot and it can be frustrating.

Hope this helps. Sorry if my bias shows through TOO much!

Rob Jump
IBM/J.D. Edwards International Competency Center
303-334-1054
rjjump@us.ibm.com



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Tom,

I have heard of a couple/few AS400 shops with the Deployment Server(DS) on
an IPCS card. As a warning, I understand this is not as straight forward a
setup as using a seperate server (usually requiring consulting). I have not
heard of an App Server on an integrated card.

Does the IPCS use the same disk and directory space as the AS400, or are
they segmented into separate partitions? If not, I suppose the problem with
using an IPCS for a DS and/or an App Server would be the directory
structure. Additionally, the DS and App Serv would have to be seperate
machine IDs. Could you do multiple IPCSs?

You can see, I don't know a whole lot about these IPCS cards. I also don't
know why it would be so complex to set one of these up if you know what you
are doing. However, from a practical standpoint and from what I have heard
about these cards, I don't know why you would want this sort of complexity
in your system. A network has enough trouble of its own. Also, it seems
from a price and scalability standpoint, it would be a whole lot simpler
and cheaper to maintain separate NT machines for a DS and App Serv.

My thoughts. For what the're worth.



Doug
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Re: RE: OneWorld Config on AS/400

Jack Allen (Sales & Service) Ltd



Platform : AS400 V4R4 + prerequisites
OneWorld : 73332 + 11.1 + 4114622

The IPCs card uses the same physical disks as the AS400 but it is
effectively reserved space.
It is created as network storage space and is allocated in chunks of 8Gb.
It is part of the IFS.

It has one distinct advantage in that the backing up is done whist backing
up the standard AS400
data, using SAV commands. We currently use an AS400 with a IPCS as the DS.
In version 4.5 of
OS 400 you can restore individual files from the network storage where as
upto 4.5 you can only
restore the files as a large chunk.






Regards,
Mark Jarvis
Computer Manager
Jack Allen (Sales &service) Lt



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Tom,

I have heard of a couple/few AS400 shops with the Deployment Server(DS) on
an IPCS card. As a warning, I understand this is not as straight forward a
setup as using a seperate server (usually requiring consulting). I have not
heard of an App Server on an integrated card.

Does the IPCS use the same disk and directory space as the AS400, or are
they segmented into separate partitions? If not, I suppose the problem with
using an IPCS for a DS and/or an App Server would be the directory
structure. Additionally, the DS and App Serv would have to be seperate
machine IDs. Could you do multiple IPCSs?

You can see, I don't know a whole lot about these IPCS cards. I also don't
know why it would be so complex to set one of these up if you know what you
are doing. However, from a practical standpoint and from what I have heard
about these cards, I don't know why you would want this sort of complexity
in your system. A network has enough trouble of its own. Also, it seems
from a price and scalability standpoint, it would be a whole lot simpler
and cheaper to maintain separate NT machines for a DS and App Serv.

My thoughts. For what the're worth.



Doug
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DRezanka

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Re: RE: OneWorld Config on AS/400

Rob,

Thanx for that much needed and informative response. We really appreciate it when someone close to the technology takes the time to provide such useful answers.

Back in late '99, I thought IBM announced they were moving away from developing these integrated NT cards? Obviously that has not happened yet, but it is a small factor in whether we would consider an IPCS. Could you verify this? Maybe it's the difference between an IPCS and INS that I'm missing.

Thanx much

Doug
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rjjump

Active Member
Re: RE: OneWorld Config on AS/400

Doug,

I can't imagine why there would be any confusion. If we could settle on a
name, the FSIOP=>IPCS=>Integrated Netfinity Server=>Integrated xSeries
server might be easier! Basically the processor and memory have changed
and I think they've gotten a lot easier to configure with the later
releases of the O/S.

I'm not aware of any plans to stop development of the integrated cards,
although I'm not necessarily privy to long range plans. I think they are
still a big part of the iSeries server consolidation strategy and will
continue to be upgraded and improved for quite a while.

IBM has made a statement of direction that there will also be support for
an attached external server, which will use the iSeries disk and act much
like the internal card, but will support multiple processors. As far as I
know, this doesn't mean the single processor card is going away, it is just
another option. sorry I don't have more details, but you might want to
keep an eye out for some upcoming announcements.

Rob Jump
IBM/J.D. Edwards International Competency Center
303-334-1054
rjjump@us.ibm.com


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Rob,

Thanx for that much needed and informative response. We really appreciate
it when someone close to the technology takes the time to provide such
useful answers.

Back in late '99, I thought IBM announced they were moving away from
developing these integrated NT cards? Obviously that has not happened yet,
but it is a small factor in whether we would consider an IPCS. Could you
verify this? Maybe it's the difference between an IPCS and INS that I'm
missing.

Thanx much

Doug
dougrezanka@eaton.com

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