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Migration to One World

johnsdk

Member
In recent discussions with JDE and some other users, I was surprised at how few companies seem to be migrating to OneWorld.
With the announcment of stopping support for XE, their coexistant version of OW, in 2003 I would think there would be rush to migrate.

Any comments from World users on why you have not migrated? Are you planning to continue running World in unsupported mode? If you do continue to run World are you going to continue to pay maintenance?

If a large enough group of World users are not planning to migrate perhaps JDE or someone else will support this system in future.
 

Kevin_McAlexand

Active Member
In my opinion, JDE will support World forever. Why did they go
through the trouble of creating to separate divisions within JDE if
they did not plan to.

Second, even if JDE drops support for World, there are a dozen
business partners just waiting to take your maintenance money and will
support you forever.

There will be BIG announcements at FOCUS this year related to this as
there was last year.






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Subject: Migration to One World
Author: jdeworld@jdelist.com at INTERNET
Date: 04/18/01 11:12 AM


In recent discussions with JDE and some other users, I was surprised at how few
companies seem to be migrating to OneWorld.
With the announcment of stopping support for XE, their coexistant version of OW,
in 2003 I would think there would be rush to migrate.

Any comments from World users on why you have not migrated? Are you planning to
continue running World in unsupported mode? If you do continue to run World ar
e you going to continue to pay maintenance?

If a large enough group of World users are not planning to migrate perhaps JDE o
r someone else will support this system in future.


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donbryant

Active Member
If it works why change most companies JD Edwards had better realize are
small to mid size companies that use their software. Anyone larger is on a
large mainframe, and smaller are on a PC Network with their competiors
software. They may find they are going to have a major decrease in sales,
because they are changing faster than small to mid size companies can
afford. After all one of their sales pitches was we will be here forever.

Don Bryant, MIS Director, mailto:donbryant@amalie.com
Amalie Oil Company
1601 McCloskey Blvd.
Tampa Fl, 33605



Don Bryant, MIS Director
Phone 813-248-1988 ext 124
Fax 813-248-1488
 

Suni

Active Member
we plan to delay it as long as possible. JDE has announced World support
until sometime in 2005. We'll decide whether to go to One World or drop
support when it gets closer to that time.
 

MVE4211

Member
I have no plans to migrate to OW any time soon. There is no new
functionality in OW that would justify the expense of upgrading our
equipment, not to mention all the time and effort required to make this
move.

World is a stable product and offers us everything we want and need for the
forseeable future. OW offers nothing to us except expense and headache. So
why would I want to subject my company to this?

It is my hope that JDE will continue to support World long after the Feb,
2005 date. If not then I guess I will have to deal with finding support
elsewhere unless JDE gives me a good reason to migrate.

Maggie Van Epps
Accounting Systems Manager
mve4211@pharmerica.com



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FloydRead

Member
When discussing with JD Edwards the migration to One World, I asked them if they
considered the impact of forcing people to change by giving them a date when
support for WorldSoftware would be dropped. I told them if you do that then they
may be the loser.

We have a lot of custom software in our business that JD Edwards software does
not support. My question to them is who is going to pay for the interfaces that
have to be modified for One World. If just switching to One World was the only
concern that would be a no brainer, but we ask the following questions in our
business "What is the total cost of the change?" "How long will it take?" "
What is the benefit to the business?". Well, when we ask those questions of the
migration to OneWorld the answers are the following - Very Expensive, Too Long,
and No added value to our Business. So from our point of view - Wasted money,
time and effort.

We are going to wait JD Edwards out and see just how committed to the current
World customer base they are. If they are foolish enough to force a change then
when we do our analysis you can bet that JD Edwards would be at the bottom of
the list of software vendors we would be considering on any new software. If we
have to do rewrites on the custom interfaces, then we may as well go to
something that really gives our business some competitive advantage.

On the maintenance, we will play that by ear as well. We will probably wait
until closer to the 2005 date to decide.


Floyd Read
Chipman Union Inc.
 

jam

Member
I also intend to take a wait and see approach to this. However, I feel we
can only afford to wait until 2003, unless JDE extends their arbitrary
support cut-off in 2005. It takes time to install these systems. At that
point I will look at the possibility of replacing JDE with another package,
unless JDE can provide customers with a major functionality reason to jump
to OW.

My reasoning is twofold: First, if JDE doesn't have excellent migration
path tools (not conversion path), the costs to move to OW will continue to
be prohibitive, even without considering hardware platform costs. So if I
have what amounts to a new ERP implementation/conversion to contend with, I
might as well see what else is out there.

Second, in that time frame the whole ERP marketplace will have changed
dramatically. I would expect to find a leap frogging of technology from
other ERP competitors, perhaps even from JDE themselves.

JDE and the other software vendors have to recognize that there are business
people buying their packages. These business people will make sensible
business decisions on such things as long term ROI. Companies don't replace
buildings or manufacturing equipment just because there is something newer
available. The same holds
 

lespin

Member
Interesting how us World users (the vast majority) want to be labeled by
JDEdwards as dinosaurs.

I agree that One World will not do anything for my company better than what
World can offer us. We do not use the JDEdwards support. Not only is
expensive but sometimes misleading. We rather use consultants that will give
us exactly what we need quick.

Since they announced that support will no longer be provided (or maybe it
will be provided on their terms), I recommended (suggest you guys do the
same) to my companay us looking elsewhere for our needs. There are tons of
better design (goodbye green screen) packages out there.
 

dale_draper

Well Known Member
Those are some good points. Shoot, just in the last year OW has become much
more stabile. And has introduced a sort of thin client, it is getting better
and easier to implement and support.
But, how many of you have looked at the OW List recently? Our company *may*
look at co-existence as a testbed to see OW plus' and minus', so I
resubscribed to the OW list. We forgot just how many issues client server
computing has.
Many World users do not have IT staffs with the skill sets needed to support
OW I bet.
Take a look at http://www.jdelist.com/resource1.shtml, the 4th choice down
is titled :"Survey of One World IS Support".

Do you want to be an empire builder?

I won't get into where the ISeries 400 is going and how much internet
interoperability there already is, and how much easier and cheaper it should
become in the near future to plug into World.

Lots to think about.
 

johnsdk

Member
For some reason I am not able to access that topic on the list. I get screen full of jiberish

Thanks

Dave Johnson
Manager, Technology
Libbey Inc
PO Box 10060
Toledo, Ohio 43699-0060
Phone 419.325.2441
Fax 419.325.2731
Email johnsdk@libbey.com

Those are some good points. Shoot, just in the last year OW has become much
more stabile. And has introduced a sort of thin client, it is getting better
and easier to implement and support.
But, how many of you have looked at the OW List recently? Our company *may*
look at co-existence as a testbed to see OW plus' and minus', so I
resubscribed to the OW list. We forgot just how many issues client server
computing has.
Many World users do not have IT staffs with the skill sets needed to support
OW I bet.
Take a look at http://www.jdelist.com/resource1.shtml, the 4th choice down
is titled :"Survey of One World IS Support".

Do you want to be an empire builder?

I won't get into where the ISeries 400 is going and how much internet
interoperability there already is, and how much easier and cheaper it should
become in the near future to plug into World.

Lots to think about.








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donbryant

Active Member
I have not heard one good thing about OW at all. It is slow, complicated
to understand (LIKE COPY MODULES AREN'T), and expensive to operate. I can
tell you even if they gave it away to us ,our company could not afford it
in just Maintenance cost alone. Keep World, I wouldnt mind going back to
consulting and pulling in 200,000 a year maintaing it for 3-4 clients. JDE
is giving me just what I want,,,,,,,,,, a chance to retire early. LOL. I
have only been on JDE since it was only GL. on a System 36. I date back to
System 3 Mod 15D with Series I ,,,,,,,,, so I am old and old so tired. LOL.
(just a bit of humor for all of us old farts) That have heard it all and we
are still here. RUMORS RUMORS on JDE dropping support they can't afford to
lose World customers there are just too many software houses out there with
just as good or better a product.

Don Bryant, MIS Director, mailto:donbryant@amalie.com
Amalie Oil Company
1601 McCloskey Blvd.
Tampa Fl, 33605



Don Bryant, MIS Director
Phone 813-248-1988 ext 124
Fax 813-248-1488
 

DBelcher

Active Member
Don,

System 3 Mod15D, why I remember the Mod 10 and we ran CCP and LIKED IT!
(Old Dana Carvey act.) Speaking of Dana Carvey (great segue eh?) found out
today that he will be doing a standup at Focus this year. Anyway, it was
confirmed by JD Edwards that support for XE is ending as of Oct 2003 so if
you go co-existence what happens then? Well, their answer was either to
convert totally or go 'co-resident'. Of course there is that caveat of "the
date may change due to feedback from customers". We have a situation here
where we need ASN functionality of A8.1 but it does not co-exist with
OneWorld, so now what do we do? If we co-exist we risk losing support for
XE more than a year before we lose support for World. I think JDE needs to
realign some of their priorities before they start throwing out some of
these dates.

Doug Belcher
KV Pharmaceutical
St Louis MO
Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of my employer


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Doug Belcher
St Louis MO
Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of my employer
 

Birddog

Member
Re: RE: Migration to One World

Priority One. Get that support date for co-existance extended.
JDE where is your head? How many shops are thinking they have until 2005 to move to JDE and are thinking co-existance offers an easier transition? Most World shops are thinking by 2003 or 2004 they will look harder at One World? Don't believe JDE gives too much of a hoot about the existing AS400 base. They don't. They are focused on new customers, new sales. Not dinos.
We are in the early stages of coexistance. Learning curve is definitely there as are the costs associated with training, but the hardware costs are not as bad as one might think. Certainly not as expensive as looking at other ERP packages, database engines, hardware and maybe even new IT staff.
Some shops will hang on and get their ROI and at a later date just go for a re-install perhaps of something else. I won't be working for these type companies. Been down that road. ;--)

A73 CUM12-B733 SP15_Deployment-Compaq 2000 _ Enterprise AS400 _ WEBHTML AS400
 

jam

Member
Re: RE: Migration to One World

I agree with the co-existence extension. Terry, do you have a feel for the
cost/time difference between co-existence/migration versus the cost/time for
your original JDE implementation? I fall into the "look for what else is
out there" camp, because I have a believe (perhaps misguided) that the
migration cost/time will approach a full ERP implementation. If this isn't


Jeff McGlachlin
I.T. Manager
LaForce, Inc.
 

ssolberg

VIP Member
Re: RE: Migration to One World

I'm in the boat like many of you but with the added complication of having multiple (and separate) World environments currently. The only thing shared is JDFOBJ and some custom stuff. We are dinking around with coexistence right now and there are 6 of us relatively smart IT folks that have a good handle on World. We just shake our heads at some things while playing in OneWeird (oops..) wondering what they are thinking. The complexity amazes us, the errors (or lack of them) are baffling, and our current World structure does not seem to fit into any real OW structure without complicating the layout lots and requiring lots more disk space. I agree that some of the development tools that we have played with have big advantages over RPG but currently we asked the same questions that someone else did on this post: 1. Easy, simple migration "wizard" 2. Business case for needing it 3. How long will it take. Though we are playing around, we still can't get answers to any of them. Wish us luck because we will need it.

Programmer/Developer/Anything-They-Give-Me
World A7.3 11 (quite stable and usually happy)
Attempting CO with Xe, AS/400, V4R5 (not happy)
 

DBelcher

Active Member
RE: RE: Migration to One World

Jeff,

Actually the ones to tell is not this list, although it feels good to be
able to gripe it out, but to JDE. The louder the noise the better they
hear.

Doug Belcher
KV Pharmaceutical
St Louis MO
Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of my employer


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Doug Belcher
St Louis MO
Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of my employer
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