E9.2 Considering switching career from JDE

sam123

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Guys,

I m sorry for using this thread to post this question. I could not think of any other place. Just trying to get perspective and any inputs is greatly appreciated.

I have been in JDE since 2004 and have mostly worked in technical side. Although I have handled and led procurement and shop floor projects as well. Now, I m considering transitioning to something else since Oracle does not have any plans for JDE. What would be next closer logical transition with this kind of background where you do not lose all the experience that has been built and infact use it further to your advantage.
 
#1 I think its a smart move depending on your age. If you're relatively close to retirement I wouldn't make the move unless you're bored with current status.
Without you sharing more of your background / skills though can't make any other specific recommendations. Are you willing to do geographic moves as well?
 
#1 I think its a smart move depending on your age. If you're relatively close to retirement I wouldn't make the move unless you're bored with current status.
Without you sharing more of your background / skills though can't make any other specific recommendations. Are you willing to do geographic moves as well?
Larry, I can't resist when reading Sam's post to think about back in 1999-2001 when nothing was so certain with JDE/PeopleSoft/Oracle . I had the same question back then "What will I do" it felt like Oracle did not have a vision, we did not know if it was JDE 5 / ERP 8 / PeopleSoft or Oracle which was the name of this tool. We all kept working on it and today it's getting better. Not as fast as I hope but perhaps this is why we have a job today I suppose.
 
I agree with Larry's comment above re where you are in your career trajectory? that is an important factor.

I also agree with Christian and think that those who ponder what the future holds should also factor in the resiliency of the JDE customer base. We are continuing to invest in building out our Vendor Solutions (CAM Performance Plus) for EnterpriseOne because we still see customers investing in their JDE E1 solutions.

Two additional thoughts...

I honestly would consider the economic impact of Covid-19 and wonder how many CIO's will be petitioning their Board of Directors to green-light an ERP Migration ($10M+) in the next couple years? That might further extend the JDE market depending on your horizon...

I'd really recommend if you haven't already started to familiarize yourself with Nextworld (www.nextworld.net) you should. I suspect Nextworld is going to be on the minds of a lot of JDE Customers and the extended JDE ecosystem very soon...and not just for the word-association factor (World-->OneWorld-->Nextworld???)
 
I agree with Larry's comment above re where you are in your career trajectory? that is an important factor.

I also agree with Christian and think that those who ponder what the future holds should also factor in the resiliency of the JDE customer base. We are continuing to invest in building out our Vendor Solutions (CAM Performance Plus) for EnterpriseOne because we still see customers investing in their JDE E1 solutions.

Two additional thoughts...

I honestly would consider the economic impact of Covid-19 and wonder how many CIO's will be petitioning their Board of Directors to green-light an ERP Migration ($10M+) in the next couple years? That might further extend the JDE market depending on your horizon...

I'd really recommend if you haven't already started to familiarize yourself with Nextworld (www.nextworld.net) you should. I suspect Nextworld is going to be on the minds of a lot of JDE Customers and the extended JDE ecosystem very soon...and not just for the word-association factor (World-->OneWorld-->Nextworld???)
I never heard of NextWorld before now ... WebSite described an intriguing architecture ... kinda what I'd expect JDE to have if development hadn't stopped ...
 
Guys,

I m sorry for using this thread to post this question. I could not think of any other place. Just trying to get perspective and any inputs is greatly appreciated.

I have been in JDE since 2004 and have mostly worked in technical side. Although I have handled and led procurement and shop floor projects as well. Now, I m considering transitioning to something else since Oracle does not have any plans for JDE. What would be next closer logical transition with this kind of background where you do not lose all the experience that has been built and infact use it further to your advantage.
... "Since Oracle does not have plans for JDE"...? I was unaware of that. And to think of all those antique World Developers that are working on that deserted platform (and making good on its demise?)...

I, too, have thought much about what I'll do after JDE - driving straight down a curvy road is not in my box of options - so I'll occupy this space till my mind and fingers no longer work properly (that may have been years ago?)...

Give some ideas of what you want to do? Me, I'm going to grab my camera and do what I did before the JDE world - have fun with images.

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I never heard of NextWorld before now ... WebSite described an intriguing architecture ... kinda what I'd expect JDE to have if development hadn't stopped ...

Yeah, it's really quite interesting Larry... I'd keep your eye on it for sure. We are currently developing the EAM module for Nextworld, have been using the No-code development tool for about a year now. I think it will be a PaaS/SaaS contender in the ERP space in the near future, and one of the best aspects is they are putting the "JDE Culture" that so many employees and customers really loved as a central tenet of their strategy.
 
I haven't posted here in years, but this thread is interesting. Personally, I was forced into independent consulting and found that there's actually plenty of work out there. I'm always searching the job boards and putting my resume out there. Recently, I accepted a full time job back in industry for the first time in like 15 years of consulting.

I read a whitepaper on the Oracle site that makes it seem like JDE will be around for a while. At least the next 10 years.

Reference:

 
I haven't posted here in years, but this thread is interesting. Personally, I was forced into independent consulting and found that there's actually plenty of work out there. I'm always searching the job boards and putting my resume out there. Recently, I accepted a full time job back in industry for the first time in like 15 years of consulting.

I read a whitepaper on the Oracle site that makes it seem like JDE will be around for a while. At least the next 10 years.

Reference:

Don't get me wrong, I do think there is a job market for JDE Professionals for the next decade.
But ... its a niche job market. Oracle has effectively sunsetted the product. They keep coming out with new lipstick add-ons for the pig but nothing is changing in the core.
People with experience may do well supporting companies that don't want to change. But its no longer a career option. That's why I said a lot depends on someone's age. If you're relatively young or even middle aged it may be time to look at what else is out there and start building a path to newer technology and application products.
 
Don't get me wrong, I do think there is a job market for JDE Professionals for the next decade.
But ... its a niche job market. Oracle has effectively sunsetted the product. They keep coming out with new lipstick add-ons for the pig but nothing is changing in the core.
People with experience may do well supporting companies that don't want to change. But its no longer a career option. That's why I said a lot depends on someone's age. If you're relatively young or even middle aged it may be time to look at what else is out there and start building a path to newer technology and application products.
I'm reading this and seems like my heart is broken :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:.

I was a Microsoft .NET developer and migrated to JDE 8 years ago.
I had the same question a couple of years ago. But I see lot of companies using JDE. So I planned to take JDE certification in Finance modules ( basically I'm a developer) so that even if there is no new implementation, at least we can get some migration projects.

More over, some advised to migrate to E-Business Suite as Oracle maintaining it.

As I'm mid-aged ( 33 now), it will be a good idea to invest time and money on JDE or just move one to another system like E-Business Suite or SAP or Microsoft Dynamics ?
 
World is over and OneWorld can be handing for couple years. I am pure application consultant and survived as independent for 8 years after laid off by Oracle on 2014. If I am young enough (59 now) and pure technical I will focus on Orchestrator and mobile apps related which I see will be the focus other than OCI official promoted. NextWorld? Maybe if we assume Mr. Edwards and his daughter made this ERP inherited from JDE enough.
 
I think it also depends if you are technical or application. If you are application then it is easier to move to another solution. If you are on the application side, are you strictly a JDE application analyst or industry analyst (ex. CPA)?
 
I'm reading this and seems like my heart is broken :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:.

I was a Microsoft .NET developer and migrated to JDE 8 years ago.
I had the same question a couple of years ago. But I see lot of companies using JDE. So I planned to take JDE certification in Finance modules ( basically I'm a developer) so that even if there is no new implementation, at least we can get some migration projects.

More over, some advised to migrate to E-Business Suite as Oracle maintaining it.

As I'm mid-aged ( 33 now), it will be a good idea to invest time and money on JDE or just move one to another system like E-Business Suite or SAP or Microsoft Dynamics ?
EBS and SAP are built upon old architectures even older at their core then JDE.
They will be around a long time but I suggest you do some research to find what type of technologies and experience companies are looking for.
It's almost impossible to "future proof" your career. Technology is changing all the time. Microsoft throws away (obsoletes) older technologies on a regular basis for example.
You can: 1) Ride the technology train constantly working to stay current ; 2) Pick an established product that has wide use (like an SAP) and know that even if it stagnates a lot of companies don't like to upgrade and there will be a job market for your skills for 20+ years; or 3) do as some here have and develop skills in the new while retaining the old by building interfaces and integrations between old tech based applications like JDE and current tech.
People who go the #3 route will be in demand and command higher rates in my opinion. But let those who are out there doing this speak up.
 
A recruiter posted on LinkedIn regarding contract position for mainframe developers. A lot of them are retired and yet companies like banks still uses mainframe.
 
A recruiter posted on LinkedIn regarding contract position for mainframe developers. A lot of them are retired and yet companies like banks still uses mainframe.
Good hope.
So move on with JD Edwards :love::love::love::love:
 
Hi Larry,

This question was always there in my mind. I am in my 33 would you suggest a career switch or is it too late? If yes what is the next best option?
and Thanks Sam this was the question lingering on my mind from couple of years now. For someone who want to move to Europe I find its difficult to search jobs as a JDE Developer since the options are very limited.
 
After a long research, I'm planning to switch to one of the below products ( sorted based on the priority which is based on the ERP market in my current region)

1. SAP
2. Microsoft Dynamics
3. Oracle Fusion ERP Cloud
 
We're on year, what, 5 or 6 of workshop presentations centered around eliminating package builds, because that's the most important thing Oracle thinks we need in E1. Packages for the objects nobody should be changing because of all the great on the glass orchestration development. :) Sure, the scheduler is still a limited piece of garbage that hasn't changed in 25 years, but lets get rid of package builds. Makes sense to me. Granted, we have a whole mess of CNC's probably still out there that security and package builds were what they built their career on (and most of them now do Managed Services), but... sheesh.... That said, I've been trying to get out for years... and almost made it once (thanks Covid!) but the pay in this niche is hard to replicate without getting in to management. What I would tell anyone is try your hardest to not worry about platform, be platform agnostic. If you can get process down and somehow swiss army knife yourself convincingly, you don't have to worry when the big product changes to the ERP you chose to support's only change is a new picture on the log in page (that is probably going to be blocked by a composite page anyway.)
 
Oh, WOW! I didn't realize that this thread started over 2 years ago until after I read the whole thing.😜😜😜

So, what did everyone end up doing?

Personally, like others in this thread, I've been contemplating leaving JDE for many years.

I started with JDE CNC responsibilities in about 2001 on a migration from World to B7333. When I started down this road, I thought that it would be a 3-5 year thing and I'd move on to bigger and better things. However, JDE is not a one-dimensional piece of software that you learn and then do related tasks for 25% of your work day. If you want to do it right, JDE CNC is an all or nothing endeavor. With JDE, you have the opportunity to learn 3 different Operating Systems (Windows, IBM i/iSeries/AS400, Linux) and 3 different databases (SQL Server, OS400, Oracle) and be absolutely dumbfounded by almost any combination of them. In the last few years, the presence of cloud options (OCI, AWS, Azure) has provided great new technologies in which to become familiar. By getting to know orchestrations, REST APIs, Form Extensions, you can really increase your excitement in the JDE ecosystem as well as increase your value in the marketplace.

However, I do agree with the idea of what to do depends a lot on your age and/or stage in your career. When I ask my kids what they are going to do after school, I've had them respond with things like "why don't I just do what you do?". My answer is usually "I'm not sure I would, if I were you. The whole point behind the IT industry is to get rid of the tech worker. In JDE, that means simplifying administration to the point where the tasks are either eliminated, can be performed by some sort of automation/AI or can be performed by those that are fairly inexperienced.

Don't get me wrong... I pride myself on setting up scripts and other types of automation. In fact, I start to get frustrated if I have to do something more than twice.😊 Sometimes, to my own detriment, I'd rather spend 2 hours building a script to do a job that could be done manually in 20 minutes. I guess I'm kind of working myself out of a job. 😜

Overall, I've been very happy in the JDE CNC part of the IT industry. I don't think that tech workers will ever be totally eliminated but the tasks they perform will definitely look different.
 
I'm interested to hear if anyone here has used nextworld! What's the health and future prospects of that platform?
 
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